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]]> Comment on Nussbaum on Banning the Burqa in Europe by Edo http://www.post-europe.org/?p=340&cpage=1#comment-229 Edo Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:49:37 +0000 http://www.post-europe.org/?p=340#comment-229 And not to forget that French Republic is built against religion. “Laicité” and customs related to religious beliefs, in the French tradition, are not indifferent, for instance it is still forbidden to get married in the Church before than at the Town Hall. Rather than the Locke approach, France seems to be still more attached to the Condorcet idea of supremacy of “laicité”. The burqa, unlike many other religious traditions, has the power to violently highlight the non-neutrality of French republicanism and the non-indifference of that Muslim tradition. The debate is dangerously hypocrite, as the real problem is not the question of the privacy (the “security” concern made CCTV widespread) or the discrimination of religious habits (there is no debate about polygamy for instance). The core problems lies on the relation with the Muslim soul of France and European countries, where populist propaganda and bans, like the one on Burqa, slip the debate about the real challenge, i.e. effective measures to foster integration of minorities, and not hinder it because of supposed electoral gains. And not to forget that French Republic is built against religion. “Laicité” and customs related to religious beliefs, in the French tradition, are not indifferent, for instance it is still forbidden to get married in the Church before than at the Town Hall. Rather than the Locke approach, France seems to be still more attached to the Condorcet idea of supremacy of “laicité”. The burqa, unlike many other religious traditions, has the power to violently highlight the non-neutrality of French republicanism and the non-indifference of that Muslim tradition.
The debate is dangerously hypocrite, as the real problem is not the question of the privacy (the “security” concern made CCTV widespread) or the discrimination of religious habits (there is no debate about polygamy for instance). The core problems lies on the relation with the Muslim soul of France and European countries, where populist propaganda and bans, like the one on Burqa, slip the debate about the real challenge, i.e. effective measures to foster integration of minorities, and not hinder it because of supposed electoral gains.

]]> Comment on Nussbaum on Banning the Burqa in Europe by Edo http://www.post-europe.org/?p=340&cpage=1#comment-228 Edo Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:29:40 +0000 http://www.post-europe.org/?p=340#comment-228 The female genital mutilations are forbidden in most of the countries as no tradition of legislation issued from the "natural right" perspective considers mutilation as a right. Some rights are inalienable, even against the will of the citizen. The burqa is close to a "image" mutilation as the bearer volounteerly renounces to public image, exactly like the cloistered nuns, but without renouncing to the public interaction. For the western eyes, therefore, the burga is like a "monstrum", the visible aspect of self-martirisation in a manner that, unlike the cloistered nuns, has not been socially assimilated and accepted. Martha Nussbaum's discourse is questionable when she points out the weakness of the first two arguments. It is not the technicality that should be pointed out (the gesture itself of covering one's face) but the finality. For reasonability's sake, no police man would give a fine while I'm wearing a hooked wintercoat but if I were wearing it on summer, then I would be probably asked the reason, at list in the countries where the ban of masks and disguise still exist since years (Italian anti-terrorism law). Burqa is the actual nemesis of the western womens' evolution, that's why Nussbaum remarks about mercification of body are theoretically corrects but historically wrong. Womens did not fight against the abuse or exposure of female body, they fought against the opposite, and to chose freely how to use and expose their body, while in this progressive perspective of emancipation, the burqa is the degree 'zero'. When Martha Nussbaum is surprisingly wrong is when she mentions the Turkish case, acceptable according to her because in defence of womens' condition. As if now, in some monoethnical or monoreligious neighbourhood of western towns, these migrants women were really in condition to chose freely their public appearance. If one can honestly believe this, is because of a serious disconnection from everyday life, including taking the subway. Western countries are, maybe akwardly, trying to accomplish an important gesture pointing the burqa as alien to the core values on which the liberal societies lie on. Allowing the burqa is like a selfsabotage. The female genital mutilations are forbidden in most of the countries as no tradition of legislation issued from the “natural right” perspective considers mutilation as a right. Some rights are inalienable, even against the will of the citizen. The burqa is close to a “image” mutilation as the bearer volounteerly renounces to public image, exactly like the cloistered nuns, but without renouncing to the public interaction. For the western eyes, therefore, the burga is like a “monstrum”, the visible aspect of self-martirisation in a manner that, unlike the cloistered nuns, has not been socially assimilated and accepted. Martha Nussbaum’s discourse is questionable when she points out the weakness of the first two arguments. It is not the technicality that should be pointed out (the gesture itself of covering one’s face) but the finality. For reasonability’s sake, no police man would give a fine while I’m wearing a hooked wintercoat but if I were wearing it on summer, then I would be probably asked the reason, at list in the countries where the ban of masks and disguise still exist since years (Italian anti-terrorism law). Burqa is the actual nemesis of the western womens’ evolution, that’s why Nussbaum remarks about mercification of body are theoretically corrects but historically wrong. Womens did not fight against the abuse or exposure of female body, they fought against the opposite, and to chose freely how to use and expose their body, while in this progressive perspective of emancipation, the burqa is the degree ‘zero’. When Martha Nussbaum is surprisingly wrong is when she mentions the Turkish case, acceptable according to her because in defence of womens’ condition. As if now, in some monoethnical or monoreligious neighbourhood of western towns, these migrants women were really in condition to chose freely their public appearance. If one can honestly believe this, is because of a serious disconnection from everyday life, including taking the subway. Western countries are, maybe akwardly, trying to accomplish an important gesture pointing the burqa as alien to the core values on which the liberal societies lie on. Allowing the burqa is like a selfsabotage.

]]> Comment on Belgium to Ban Burqa…well almost? by Nussbaum on Banning the Burqa in Europe « post-europe http://www.post-europe.org/?p=258&cpage=1#comment-227 Nussbaum on Banning the Burqa in Europe « post-europe Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:43:26 +0000 http://www.post-europe.org/?p=258#comment-227 [...] arguments for such bans – all of which have been wheeled out as justification for the current Belgian Burqa Ban and similar proposals in other European states  – certainly deserve a mention and a link. I [...] [...] arguments for such bans – all of which have been wheeled out as justification for the current Belgian Burqa Ban and similar proposals in other European states  – certainly deserve a mention and a link. I [...]

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]]> Comment on Europe is Dead…Long Live Europe? by Edo http://www.post-europe.org/?p=323&cpage=1#comment-220 Edo Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:17:21 +0000 http://www.post-europe.org/?p=323#comment-220 I always feel sympathy to all the thinkers that try to develop an analysis of European cohesion because worried about it. I am too, but more optmistic. Balibar's analysis is somehow a free interpretation of the EU history. EU hasn't been "one" defined project but, at the contrary, a flexible process, which is by the way the only acceptable explanation to its hypercomplicated institutional architecture. During the "crisis of the empty seat" nobody would have bet on Europe, but so many times the project has re-emerged, and under so many different governments! I agree that the "social" pillar is the missing one, and not only that one, but it wasn't previously a drive (= never been in the "acquis communautaire"), so it's a little unfair to say that Europe is dead and gone. The need to broaden the number of the so-called "competencies" is a recent one, as the result of the unexpectedly fast, although limited, success of the EU construction. They made the customers, now they have to make the citizens, which is far less easy. (end, uhm, the dialectic "dominant/dominated" applied to the inter-EU dynamics is demagogic). Let's say that Europe is not dying, just crossing a difficult puberty. I always feel sympathy to all the thinkers that try to develop an analysis of European cohesion because worried about it. I am too, but more optmistic. Balibar’s analysis is somehow a free interpretation of the EU history. EU hasn’t been “one” defined project but, at the contrary, a flexible process, which is by the way the only acceptable explanation to its hypercomplicated institutional architecture. During the “crisis of the empty seat” nobody would have bet on Europe, but so many times the project has re-emerged, and under so many different governments! I agree that the “social” pillar is the missing one, and not only that one, but it wasn’t previously a drive (= never been in the “acquis communautaire”), so it’s a little unfair to say that Europe is dead and gone. The need to broaden the number of the so-called “competencies” is a recent one, as the result of the unexpectedly fast, although limited, success of the EU construction. They made the customers, now they have to make the citizens, which is far less easy. (end, uhm, the dialectic “dominant/dominated” applied to the inter-EU dynamics is demagogic). Let’s say that Europe is not dying, just crossing a difficult puberty.

]]> Comment on Shaming and Naming by ceci n’est pas une apologie « post-europe http://www.post-europe.org/?p=233&cpage=1#comment-219 ceci n’est pas une apologie « post-europe Thu, 20 May 2010 21:41:22 +0000 http://www.post-europe.org/?p=233#comment-219 [...] posts ago – “Shaming and Naming” – I discussed the threat of cuts to the distinguished philosophy department at Kings [...] [...] posts ago – “Shaming and Naming” – I discussed the threat of cuts to the distinguished philosophy department at Kings [...]

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